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I'm browsing through dozens of notes on my phone I could throw out an then I come to this. I didn't have the time to read it, so I copied and saved it for later in my notes.

My message:

Dear Mr. Don Bluth,

Hello, I am a very big fan of your films The Secret of NIMH, The Land Before Time, and All dogs Go to Heaven and I truly appreciate the work you have put in these films. I do, however, have a few questions that I’d like to ask you, though, concerning NIMH.

Now, some time ago, I heard of a scene from the film being uncovered, or rather just an image from the supposed scene:

This is obviously not the original, but it was the best I could find. Now rumor has it that this scene, or something similar to this, was originally going to be in the film, but was cut due to budget and timing reasons. Was this true? Of course, I looked this up on this site here… saying:

I too, have heard the rumours of missing scenes in Nimh, but I must say that I doubt that these rumours are true. I would love to see a re-release of the film, but there are probably no missing scenes, especially not involving a kiss between Justin and Mrs. Brisby.
I think that the infamous "Kiss" drawing may very well have been done by a Bluth animator, but I find it unlikely that there is an entire scene, meant to be in the movie but cut, for the following reasons:
First, animated movies rarely have scenes cut after completion. That's what the storyboards are for, to allow the filmmakers to make those sorts of decisions before the time-consuming process of animation begins.
If Bluth and Co. had considered such a scene, and then decided that it didn't fit the film, they would almost certainly have made that decision early, especially considering Nimh's tight budget.
Second, a clue from the drawing itself: Justin is wearing the soldier cap!. I may be wrong, but it was my impression that this was something he wore only briefly in order to blend in with the other toy soldiers. I didn't think it was actually part of his uniform (he does, after all, casually throw it away). So, why would he be wearing it at the end of the movie, as he and Mrs. Brisby kiss?
Of course, I could be wrong. I know for a fact that missing scenes to "The Land Before Time" do exist, based on the fact that the television commercials contained shots not present in the actual film. And we've also seen the picture of Mrs. Brisby and all her kids riding Jeremy, which also doesn't appear in the film. Still, I think that missing scenes in Nimh are unlikely.
That was Question Number One.

Question Number Two, if the budget was higher and you had more time to work on the film, would you have included a romantic scene of Justin and Mrs. Brisby together somehow? I mean, would have hinted that, if you made the sequel your own way, the two would have married in it or won’t they? Me, personally, I don’t see them getting married at all partially for species differences, but also because I think she loves Jonathan most of all.

Now let me explain why I asked. I’ve been going around around the internet and seeing fan-fictions of Justin and Mrs. Brisby together. Now I’ll be honest, I’d rather not see them again and I don’t think you would have the time or interest to read them either, but this leads to me to Question Number Three. Do you support the idea of Justin and Mrs. Brisby being a couple and eventually being married, or rather just leave them as very good friends?

If you receive this message, I thought you should know it was a pleasure talking with you. If you get questions like this all the time, then let me say I’m sorry, but I’d rather take your word for it on this matter rather than somebody else—who maybe biased on the matter— tell me what you had in mind originally. I greatly await your reply and thank you.


Mr. Don Bluth’s response:

Dear Drew47AT,
Thank you for your inquiry. Nice drawing, but it's the first time I've seen anything like this. It is not mine. It is definitely on model for both characters. Perhaps someone in the crew did the drawing, but never shared it with us. Gary (Goldman) told me this morning that he has seen it before, on-line, perhaps on or a fan-site.
There was never any discussion or intent to have Mrs. Brisby and Justin get together. When we recorded dialogue with Elizabeth Hartman, she responded to the warm romantic voice with similar warmth, from which the animator acted Mrs. Brisby's expression & body language appropriate to her recording. I'm told that many fans have thought it was a moment of flirtation and could be a seed of as a possible romance between them. Such a thought was never intended by me or anyone involved with the film. It was just a moment of relief after the fright that Justin's prank created when he scared her. (Note that Mr. Ages scolds Justin for his actions.)
Regarding your question about more money and time, would we have included such a romance(?). The answer is no. The epilogue of the film may have been a minute or so longer, but there was never a thought of bringing Justin and Mrs. Brisby together at the end. The issue at the time was that the financing entity and executive producers wanted to move the completion of the film up from the early-August date for a late-August release, to a late-May/early-June completion for a 4th of July release, reducing our 30 month schedule to a 27 month schedule. This decision caused a real heavy discussion, not only for the challenge of meeting the new deadline, but also the challenge of competition for theaters. We lost the argument and truncated the epilogue in order to get it done in time. (We knew that there were plenty of Tent-Pole films coming out before, on or near the 4th of July and challenged their decision for fear of getting lost in the shuffle. We lost. E.T. the Extraterrestial was the big family winner of the year in 1982.)
The silver lining was Jerry Goldsmith introducing us to Steven Spielberg, initiating the beginning of a two-picture relationship with Amblin and Universal.
Thanks so much for your questions. I hope his answers them.

Don Bluth

After reading this, I thought about it. I am telling you this right now because i do not wanna forget. Despite time and money issues, I honestly do not care. If you understand mental and psychological behavior, then it's most likely it might seems so damn obvious to you how Justin and Elizabeth communicate with each other (even though all couples are different). I do not care. I do not care what Drew47AT thinks, even what Don Bluth thinks, or anyone. I love the communication they share. Real or fiction, the two characters deserve each other.
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Hey! My name is REN, at least that's the pen name I go by. I have a real name, but I'd prefer to be called Ren, I am 18 years old and, sadly still, living with my parents. (Boo!!! :cries:) I love my friends and sharing my artistic talents with everyone and I hope to make more friends and explore more of life along the way!). I'm an adult rebel who lives in small, cold town Duluth, MN. If you're thinking of living where I come from, then you better change plans because its filled with crazy weather (like the winters that last for almost half a year) and mostly nature. I love to draw and write, I love anime and romance! Unfortunate to say, until I have enough money to move out, I will be going to a community college to study medical laboratory technician for a job as well as my interests so I can become a great well known children's/teens author, dark animated filmmaker and actress (and hopefully attend one of the two best rated colleges in Austin; The Art Institute of Austin and the University of Texas' Theatre Department) (I'm seriously thinking of moving to Austin, TX where the weather's fuckin' sweet and live there.) I'm a creative and artistic yet headstrong cookie with determination in shooting for the stars and someday (not only living the life celebrities do) but living a happy life with a sweet, outgoing and intelligent husband and maybe one or three or even five (adopted) kids. :) (I know! As crazy as it sounds, I'm willing to risk it all and take flight for that second star to the right.)
So far, my sequel to "The Secret of NIMH" (1982) has a mixture of praise and hate in the fandom zone.
1st, there was Drew47AT, who suggested I should really improve my story by changing the plotline and of course have Jonathan Brisby be alive and not dead.
2nd, I recieved a note from 1st-Hashirama-Senju saying someone (a girl/woman named Lyle) from Library of the Damned "stole" (they actaully critiqued my story in sarcastic manner, not constructive) my story and posted it on their site. You can read it from the links below;……

But you know what, I'm not going to give up on that because I'm not only doing this for NIMH fans out there, but I am doing it for Biff (otherwise Elizabeth Hartman, who tragically died of suicide June 10th, 1987). Like my mom and my role model Elijah Wood, I don't give up on shit. I just push through it because that's life. Everyday is an obstacle we have to endure. Suicide will not rescue you from pressure with anything related to the future or reality. (I took Biff's death pretty hard when I was twelve, that's one of the reasons I'm against suicide. It's even worst to know that people around your age and mine are commiting suicide because they feel that intense pressure building up each day.) Watch some epic, empowering animes, sing a song that'll give you the passion to follow your dreams and strengthen your spirit. (That's what I do and it really does help.)
"Dream the impossible because dreams do come true." is Elijah Wood's quote I follow by. He never had it easy with dreams either. In emotional distress, his mom was there to help him push through the thick and thin of balancing life with fame and reality. He's taught his auidence strength and even finding happiness (if you've watched "Wilfred") Even before "Wilfred", his voice guided me back into the light and to find myself. I want to make the impossible possible, and I bet you all want to too. Take this quote and others in mind. Of course, take it seriously, work your ass off and work hard so you can kick ass and make the world a really cool place. I do hope someday to remake the Rats of NIMH (in dedication to the original cast and crew of the original film, if I'm allowed to and if that's legal) and make my sequel into a movie (if I ever do work with animation.) I am most likely planning on working with traditional animation because it is such a beautiful form of animation. Watching traditional animation is just like watching an actual drawing come to life.

Best Friends; :iconanarchygunrage:, :iconmemory627:, :iconbaren777:
Favorite People; :iconkatethegreat19:

Favourite genre of music: Gothic rock, alternative
Favourite style of art: Anime, traditional handdrawn art, cgi

~Quotes To Keep In Mind~
I believe in the impossible, I dreamt of it yesterday. I'm dreaming of it today and I'll dream of it tomorrow. (REN)(June 2014)

Everyday, an old life dies and a new one is born. (REN)

Never give up. I never gave up, Carl never gave up, Kathleen never gave up. Don't you give up. (Colleen Hegleson Nelson (My grandma Nelson)(12/25/2013))

You can't reach for anything new if your hands are full of yesterday's junk. (Louise Smith)

Slumber parties are the cat's pajamas, just like my cat pajamas. (Tina Belcher (Slumber Party from Bob's Burgers))

If you're a nerd, join the herd. (Zeke from Bob's Burgers)

Don't be startin' what ch'ou can't finish, bitch. (Roger Smith from American Dad)

Self-pity is our worst enemy and if we yield it, we can never do anything wise in this world. (Helen Keller)

In the animated world, people who understand pencils and paper usually aren't computer people, and the computer people usually aren't the artistic people, so they always stand on opposite sides of the line. (Don Bluth)

The past is over, the future is waiting! (Liz from IGPX)

There are more valid facts and details in works of artt than there are in history books. (Charlie Chaplin)

Obstacles are only opportunities to succeed or fail; how we handle them determines what will happen. (Art Hurst)

The best and most beautiful things in this world cannot be seen or touched. They must be felt with the heart. (Helen Keller)

I make films to cure my loneliness. (Ana Lily)

As I matured and grew stronger, the bounds of the madness inside me expanded. (Franken Stein from Soul Eater)

I grew up sheltered and dependent. I was a dreamer. I just always wanted to be . . . an actress. I wanted the people I'm playing to be in trouble. (Elizabeth Hartman)

Without pain, there would be no suffering. Without suffering, we would never learn from our mistakes. To make it right, pain and suffering is the key to all windows, without it, there is no way of life. (Angelina Jolie)

Artists are poeple driven by the tension between the desire to communicate and the desire to hide. (D.W. Winnicott)

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OdetteXKiryu Featured By Owner 2 days ago  Student Artist
Happy birthday!
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OdetteXKiryu Featured By Owner 2 days ago  Student Artist
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Stitchpunk89 Featured By Owner 2 days ago  Hobbyist General Artist
Last year I felt a bit depressed because I wanted to leave home, knowing I couldn't without enough money or proper education. I just wasted a whole year trying to study and then slacked because I didn't ask my parents when to do CLEP and I was afraid of failing.
I'm 19 today, but not officially until 6:30 pm. I'm gonna have to do the CLEP right away, except three weeks soon. Unfortunately, my parents are crazy busy and my mom's visiting her mom at the hospital in Canada again.
Alot's "kinda" happened
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